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Ainulindale #8 Enter Valar <CelebornsMirror> [7/15 @ 17:05] (11/26)

Shapes of Valar <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/16 @ 14:35] (1/1)

My point exactly <Beren IV> [7/17 @ 3:46] (0/0)

# 4 '"What of the name ' Valar' ?" <Silent _ Watcher> [7/16 @ 9:05] (0/0)
In which I explain all that funky raiment stuff... or die trying <Tar-Telperien> [7/16 @ 3:30] (1/5)

in which I ask a question about your explanation :-) <an seileachan> [7/16 @ 13:01] (2/4)

Difficult to say what Tolkien believed on the matter, <Orald> [7/16 @ 23:24] (0/0)
Well... <Tar-Telperien> [7/16 @ 14:20] (1/2)

this is why my critical thinking professor... <an seileachan> [7/16 @ 14:35] (1/1)

I think the best way to explain this idea of Tolkien's is to refer to a book by a friend of his... <aragonvaar> [7/19 @ 17:39] (0/0)

Angels in human form <linkinparkelf> [7/16 @ 3:02] (0/0)
The Powers and their Powers <Beren IV> [7/16 @ 1:56] (1/5)

Ainur children <Dain II Ironfoot> [7/16 @ 11:53] (1/4)

IS Ungoliant an evil Maia? <Beren IV> [7/17 @ 1:38] (1/3)

Tolkien writes (at the end of the section <NZ Strider> [7/18 @ 7:12] (2/2)

Didn't Tolkien once refer... <N.E. Brigand> [7/19 @ 18:39] (0/0)
This should be saved as a link <CelebornsMirror> [7/18 @ 13:37] (0/0)

*tiptoes in* <Roheryn> [7/16 @ 1:45] (2/2)

True shape of the Ainur <Orald> [7/16 @ 10:26] (0/0)
The usual practice is to ask <Curious> [7/16 @ 5:52] (0/0)

Everybody Loves Raiment <Orald> [7/15 @ 22:40] (1/1)

Uh, Orald (somewhat off-topic) <Beren IV> [7/16 @ 2:14] (0/0)

Non-physical manifestations, I think. <Kimi> [7/15 @ 21:18] (0/0)
Valar fashion statements <lucia> [7/15 @ 20:53] (0/0)
superhuman but not gigantic <bigidiot> [7/15 @ 20:43] (0/0)
Incarnation <drogo_drogo> [7/15 @ 19:37] (1/1)

on #3 <CelebornsMirror> [7/16 @ 11:20] (0/0)

Tips for posting in the Reading Room. <Curious> [7/15 @ 15:18] (7/19)

an html question <Estelwyn> [7/17 @ 0:06] (1/2)

<s></s> <Kimi> [7/17 @ 1:48] (1/1)

Cool, thanks :-) <Estelwyn> [7/17 @ 2:04] (0/0)

And answer what you can, don't feel pressure! <drogo_drogo> [7/15 @ 19:56] (2/3)

OK, I read that as 'Balrogs loose with their swinging hips' <Ataahua> [7/16 @ 23:42] (1/1)

*cleaning my morning coffee off my monitor here* <hatster> [7/17 @ 8:13] (0/0)

Thanks for the encouragement to newbies... <Tail-kinker> [7/16 @ 0:40] (0/0)

many thanks for the hint on the faqs... <an seileachan> [7/15 @ 19:39] (0/0)
All great suggestions, and <Estelwyn> [7/15 @ 19:23] (2/3)

Done. (No Text) <Curious> [7/16 @ 5:22] (0/0)
Added suggestion--Instead of a footer, include in <Tail-kinker> [7/16 @ 0:39] (1/1)

I have no control over those. <Curious> [7/16 @ 5:24] (0/0)

Much appreciated <Liath> [7/15 @ 19:11] (0/0)
I find it better <Inferno> [7/15 @ 17:39] (3/4)

I use Wordpad instead of Word <squire > [7/16 @ 14:06] (0/0)
I've never lost a post I saved, but <Curious> [7/15 @ 18:24] (0/0)
I've actually only... <N.E. Brigand> [7/15 @ 18:09] (1/1)

Shorter timespan. Why? <IsisNewton> [7/16 @ 11:36] (0/0)

Thanks, a very appropriate post <erather> [7/15 @ 16:19] (0/0)

Ainulindale #7- The Children <CelebornsMirror> [7/15 @ 12:14] (5/10)

*Sings* They'll be comin' 'round the Third Theme when they come... <Tar-Telperien> [7/16 @ 3:56] (0/0)
Why the Ainur love the Children <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/15 @ 15:46] (0/0)
"Strange and free" <Bythedar> [7/15 @ 13:16] (1/4)

Free from the control or influence of the Ainur perhaps? <linkinparkelf> [7/16 @ 2:42] (1/3)

Dogs and cats <erather> [7/16 @ 15:19] (1/2)

Dogs think of you as family, cats think of you as the help? :) <linkinparkelf> [7/17 @ 0:43] (1/1)

Dogs have owners, cats have staff. <erather> [7/17 @ 15:00] (0/0)

answers <lucia> [7/15 @ 13:16] (0/0)
love of strangers <Lúthien_Rising> [7/15 @ 12:51] (1/1)

Otherness as both source of desire and sorrow <drogo_drogo> [7/15 @ 14:31] (0/0)

Smith of Wootton Major: Nokes' Great Cake. <Curious> [7/15 @ 4:41] (5/16)

Just some remarks on the names... <NZ Strider> [7/16 @ 5:58] (0/0)
Noaks is dogma without spiritual substance <drogo_drogo> [7/15 @ 14:37] (1/1)

Mostly harmless. <erather> [7/15 @ 21:30] (0/0)

Recovery <Ransom> [7/15 @ 11:42] (1/6)

I'll settle for agreeing with this, adding only <NZ Strider> [7/16 @ 6:35] (2/5)

I wondered about that, too <Kimi> [7/17 @ 1:23] (0/0)
How do you know how Tolkien felt <Curious> [7/16 @ 16:35] (1/3)

It's referred to in Letters <Kimi> [7/17 @ 1:27] (1/2)

Letter 306? <Curious> [7/17 @ 4:19] (1/1)

And also this: <NZ Strider> [7/18 @ 7:24] (0/0)

More from Tolkien via NZ Strider and Flieger: (No Text - Link Inside) <Curious> [7/15 @ 9:56] (0/0)
"Old Noakes of Bywater" <Kimi> [7/15 @ 5:45] (4/4)

Regarding "lit and lang" and tiny fairies, <Curious> [7/15 @ 12:43] (0/0)
Here's a link... <N.E. Brigand> [7/15 @ 11:31] (0/0)
Wonderful! (No Text) <Curious> [7/15 @ 9:47] (0/0)
fascinating work on the names, Kimi! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/15 @ 8:51] (0/0)

Ainulindale: #6 Evil Serving Good / And Calling All Literary Critics <CelebornsMirror> [7/14 @ 12:20] (16/45)

Music and foresight <Poldalle> [7/16 @ 7:31] (1/5)

Don't you find it interesting <squire > [7/16 @ 15:28] (1/4)

The next two lines of the letter <Kimi> [7/17 @ 1:45] (1/3)

I have always assumed <Curious> [7/17 @ 4:36] (1/2)

*Face crumples* You can't mean that! <Kimi> [7/17 @ 5:53] (1/1)

It depends <Curious> [7/18 @ 0:15] (0/0)

Tolkien's writing here is so high art it flies right over my head! <linkinparkelf> [7/16 @ 2:33] (0/0)
Turning Evil to Good <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/15 @ 16:00] (0/0)
#2 "Mine instrument" <Silent _ Watcher> [7/15 @ 9:19] (0/0)
Music as creation is not new. Orchestral <Curious> [7/15 @ 3:20] (3/9)

Excellent points on the Sil as a whole <CelebornsMirror> [7/15 @ 14:05] (0/0)
Void is the Void <Bythedar> [7/15 @ 8:48] (2/6)

I like that, and <Curious> [7/15 @ 11:02] (0/0)
But <Lúthien_Rising> [7/15 @ 8:52] (1/4)

I don't think so <Bythedar> [7/15 @ 9:25] (1/3)

I get it. <Lúthien_Rising> [7/15 @ 10:03] (1/2)

Time in Void <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/15 @ 11:19] (1/1)

My head is beginning to hurt. (No Text) <erather> [7/15 @ 21:33] (0/0)

Some science is involved too <Zaggins> [7/15 @ 7:32] (0/0)

Is Melkor truly evil? <Beren IV> [7/15 @ 1:41] (2/3)

Shame is toxic. <erather> [7/15 @ 13:50] (1/1)

Nicely put :) (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/16 @ 1:28] (0/0)

no, he created persons <an seileachan> [7/15 @ 6:51] (0/0)

The Celts and "Oran Mór" <an seileachan> [7/14 @ 21:20] (3/6)

Where did you read about this? <Kohimarama> [7/16 @ 0:25] (2/3)

not sure, but could have been <an seileachan> [7/16 @ 7:11] (1/1)

Thanks, I was just a bit curious <Kohimarama> [7/16 @ 10:53] (0/0)

Well, there is this... <Kohimarama> [7/16 @ 0:30] (0/0)

thank you for this! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/14 @ 23:16] (0/0)
Hmmm, this must be why Celtic people sing so beautifully! (No Text) <erather> [7/14 @ 22:26] (0/0)

Art versus nature <Penthe> [7/14 @ 18:36] (1/1)

folk art <CelebornsMirror> [7/14 @ 19:00] (0/0)

#4, very short <Lúthien_Rising> [7/14 @ 17:56] (0/0)
brief thoughts <Gourry> [7/14 @ 17:49] (0/0)
RE: No. 2 and some random thoughts. <Ascarwen> [7/14 @ 16:18] (1/4)

Two choose to --What-- at random? <N.E. Brigand> [7/14 @ 17:39] (1/3)

Is this about my footer? <Ascarwen> [7/15 @ 10:36] (2/2)

No, it's about a typo. <Orald> [7/15 @ 11:00] (0/0)
Sorry. Just silliness. <N.E. Brigand> [7/15 @ 11:00] (0/0)

thoughts on #1 <lucia> [7/14 @ 16:04] (1/1)

It's also present in Lewis's Narnia... <aragonvaar> [7/14 @ 17:08] (0/0)

The harmony of the spheres <drogo_drogo> [7/14 @ 13:55] (0/0)
Some quick comments... <NZ Strider> [7/14 @ 13:46] (0/0)
Northrop Frye. <N.E. Brigand> [7/14 @ 13:17] (0/0)
not turning evil to good <Linguilindale> [7/14 @ 12:50] (0/0)

Ainulindale #5 Nature and Nitpicking <CelebornsMirror> [7/13 @ 15:58] (9/36)

Is the Abyss related to the Void? <Curious> [7/15 @ 11:01] (2/9)

Metaphorical. <N.E. Brigand> [7/15 @ 18:19] (0/0)
According to the OED <Bythedar> [7/15 @ 12:02] (1/7)

I think in the beginning, <Curious> [7/15 @ 12:24] (1/6)

Asgaard, Midgaard, Udgaard? <Bythedar> [7/15 @ 16:10] (1/5)

Out there in <Curious> [7/15 @ 16:39] (1/4)

Where is Abyss and Firmament <Stanislaus B.> [7/16 @ 3:18] (2/3)

I agree, as a member of the Keep Tolkien's Earth Flat society <squire > [7/16 @ 16:38] (0/0)
In Chicago <Curious> [7/16 @ 5:14] (1/1)

And here I thought <Lúthien_Rising> [7/16 @ 13:33] (0/0)

Tolkien answers this question #1 <Curious> [7/15 @ 2:55] (0/0)
The third theme and the Great Music <Alveric> [7/14 @ 10:47] (0/0)
ready or not <bigidiot> [7/13 @ 22:28] (0/0)
I am confused about the third theme... <an seileachan> [7/13 @ 21:32] (2/14)

I read the third theme as <Ivy Sandybanks> [7/14 @ 10:16] (1/1)

What about Nienna's influence on it... <aragonvaar> [7/14 @ 17:10] (0/0)

my answers to your questions <Lúthien_Rising> [7/13 @ 22:26] (1/11)

thank you <an seileachan> [7/13 @ 23:01] (4/10)

Evil is vital to the system <drogo_drogo> [7/14 @ 14:13] (1/3)

You can't see the light except against the darkness? (No Text) <Ivy Sandybanks> [7/14 @ 21:06] (1/2)

or the light isn't at all without the darkness (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/14 @ 22:01] (1/1)

Thank you - that is a much better way to say it (No Text) <Ivy Sandybanks> [7/15 @ 0:59] (0/0)

Same questions <Ivy Sandybanks> [7/14 @ 11:33] (1/1)

He can't be "surprised" in our sense... <aragonvaar> [7/14 @ 17:20] (0/0)

That is what I was attempting to address <erather> [7/13 @ 23:11] (1/2)

but not all geniuses <an seileachan> [7/13 @ 23:24] (1/1)

Something becomes evil <erather> [7/14 @ 14:19] (0/0)

Me too <Merryk> [7/13 @ 23:04] (0/0)

duality <an ent> [7/13 @ 21:03] (0/0)
Illuvatar's Third Theme <Hollyhock Brandybuck> [7/13 @ 20:50] (0/0)
It's the Gift/Doom of Men and the "long defeat" <drogo_drogo> [7/13 @ 17:09] (3/4)

but if the third theme was "corrupted" by Melkor... <an seileachan> [7/14 @ 7:21] (1/1)

YES, Melkor changed the fate of the Children of Illuvitar! <Beren IV> [7/15 @ 1:16] (0/0)

And so, presumably... <Beren IV> [7/14 @ 4:18] (0/0)
Creation of time <Lúthien_Rising> [7/13 @ 23:47] (0/0)

Brash unity. <N.E. Brigand> [7/13 @ 16:19] (0/0)

Ainulindale #4 Dischord <CelebornsMirror> [7/13 @ 11:38] (20/54)

Well... (Enter T-T!) <Tar-Telperien> [7/16 @ 3:11] (1/2)

Look, everyone, it's T-T! <Curious> [7/16 @ 8:29] (1/1)

Thanks Curious! <Tar-Telperien> [7/16 @ 14:26] (0/0)

Discord and Counterpoint... <aragonvaar> [7/14 @ 17:05] (0/0)
Just one or two "discordant" comments... <NZ Strider> [7/14 @ 14:28] (3/3)

Good Point. <momtohalflings> [7/14 @ 18:31] (0/0)
theology within story <Lúthien_Rising> [7/14 @ 17:44] (0/0)
So far as I know... <aragonvaar> [7/14 @ 16:55] (0/0)

Seven Deadly Sins, Melkor and Tolkien <Bythedar> [7/14 @ 12:48] (1/1)

interesting, and i'm curious to see where you will cite #2-7 (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/14 @ 15:46] (0/0)

Melkor's fall <Alveric> [7/14 @ 8:46] (0/0)
To go with the musical metaphor, <Curious> [7/14 @ 5:36] (1/2)

Problem of evil <Ransom> [7/14 @ 9:48] (1/1)

The metaphor breaks down. <Curious> [7/14 @ 10:20] (0/0)

The Quote that answers the Whole Question! <Beren IV> [7/14 @ 3:38] (1/2)

Rather nothing succeeds in rebeling <Alveric> [7/14 @ 8:55] (1/1)

"For he that attempteth this shall but prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined." <Beren IV> [7/15 @ 1:25] (0/0)

a perfect Eru <Goldilocks Took> [7/14 @ 0:03] (2/2)

A "fallen" world is not what He has planned... <aragonvaar> [7/14 @ 17:25] (0/0)
Oh wow...peacemakers <Ascarwen> [7/14 @ 10:31] (0/0)

Melkor and the Flame Imperrishable <Finrod Felagund 5> [7/13 @ 23:22] (0/0)
Geniuses are not team players. <erather> [7/13 @ 20:17] (2/3)

Nice, and on Christianity <CelebornsMirror> [7/14 @ 12:41] (0/0)
I like those points and <momtohalflings> [7/13 @ 22:50] (1/1)

Tolkien made every effort not to be inconsistent <erather> [7/13 @ 23:07] (0/0)

My answers <Ascarwen> [7/13 @ 19:34] (0/0)
*Sneaks into chapter discussion* <Estelwyn> [7/13 @ 17:32] (4/4)

bringing up Niggle again. Sorry <Penthe> [7/14 @ 18:40] (0/0)
Fantastic! <CelebornsMirror> [7/14 @ 12:35] (0/0)
Whew - glad you got here <Merryk> [7/13 @ 22:56] (0/0)
probably <bigidiot> [7/13 @ 22:08] (0/0)

Eru already knows that Melkor would rebel <drogo_drogo> [7/13 @ 17:02] (1/1)

nice #3 (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/14 @ 12:32] (0/0)

Melkor <momtohalflings> [7/13 @ 15:18] (0/0)
new themes <Menelwyn> [7/13 @ 15:12] (0/0)
He who arises in might <Timerider> [7/13 @ 14:05] (3/6)

I especially like your answer to # 4! Perfect! (No Text) <Elf_Maven> [7/13 @ 22:37] (0/0)
Seductive - I like that point! Good choice of words. (No Text) <momtohalflings> [7/13 @ 15:40] (0/0)
like your love/lust points... (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/13 @ 15:20] (1/3)

Hmm.... <Ascarwen> [7/13 @ 19:37] (1/2)

Not true as far as some of us are concerned, <Lúthien_Rising> [7/13 @ 23:38] (1/1)

I'd say it is true <CelebornsMirror> [7/16 @ 13:20] (0/0)

some ideas for 1&2 <Inwai> [7/13 @ 13:10] (0/0)
some answers <Dain II Ironfoot> [7/13 @ 12:43] (1/3)

Eru's knowledge/Eru's emotion <Lúthien_Rising> [7/13 @ 23:35] (1/2)

agree <Dain II Ironfoot> [7/13 @ 23:48] (1/1)

Why should anger equal surprise? <aragonvaar> [7/14 @ 17:30] (0/0)

Quick answer to #1... <HobbitHearted> [7/13 @ 12:39] (0/0)
Spring into Fall <Orald> [7/13 @ 12:01] (1/5)

evil as out of tune singing <CelebornsMirror> [7/13 @ 13:42] (1/4)

My third attempt to post... <Orald> [7/13 @ 16:29] (2/3)

Interesting; thanks <NZ Strider> [7/14 @ 13:52] (1/1)

I'll definitely do that next time! <Orald> [7/14 @ 14:20] (0/0)

Thanks - interesting <Merryk> [7/13 @ 23:01] (0/0)

A take on 'Epic Fantasy' <mendil> [7/13 @ 9:52] (2/4)

An old idea... <Harthad> [7/13 @ 23:46] (0/0)
Interesting essay, which I'm not qualified to demolish <squire > [7/13 @ 11:05] (1/2)

BTW, OT, RE bald pirating <mendil> [7/14 @ 16:50] (1/1)

Familiar staples, spelled T-o-l-k-i-e-n <squire > [7/14 @ 23:36] (0/0)

Smith of Wootton Major: Cook Takes a Holiday. <Curious> [7/13 @ 7:57] (5/14)

Some of Tolkien's own comments on "Smith of Wootton Major" <NZ Strider> [7/15 @ 4:39] (1/1)

Ha! See my cite to Carpenter above. (No Text) <Curious> [7/15 @ 9:52] (0/0)

Even elf kings sometimes need a holiday. <erather> [7/13 @ 19:39] (0/0)
Cook in the Conservatory with a Fay Star? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/13 @ 17:56] (1/3)

Alf's apparent age. <N.E. Brigand> [7/13 @ 18:51] (2/2)

Hmm. That makes sense. <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/13 @ 20:10] (0/0)
The society of W-M <erather> [7/13 @ 19:29] (0/0)

Some quick comments... <NZ Strider> [7/13 @ 15:04] (2/4)

Strider/Rider -- Nice! (No Text) <N.E. Brigand> [7/13 @ 16:33] (0/0)
Oops, I missed the grandson connection! <Curious> [7/13 @ 16:18] (1/2)

Does the queen... <N.E. Brigand> [7/13 @ 16:33] (1/1)

Perhaps <Curious> [7/13 @ 16:46] (0/0)

a quick tidbit -- "Alf" OE for "elf" <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/13 @ 14:55] (1/1)

Quite so. Thus also "Gandalf." <N.E. Brigand> [7/13 @ 15:37] (0/0)

The Eye Of Sauron <MWStrider> [7/12 @ 22:31] (3/3)

The Eye is more metaphorical <drogo_drogo> [7/13 @ 7:17] (0/0)
Coincidental I think <Alveric> [7/13 @ 4:26] (0/0)
The eye and the Palantir are not connected... <King Of Easterlings> [7/12 @ 22:50] (0/0)

Does the Sil discussion continue? <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 22:14] (2/3)

The usual routine <erather> [7/12 @ 22:21] (0/0)
Yes (No Text) <King Of Easterlings> [7/12 @ 22:19] (1/1)

Thank you, now I can go to bed! (No Text) <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 22:19] (0/0)

Ainulindale: #3 Philosophy and Theology <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 19:04] (18/55)

Here we have several levels of translation. <Curious> [7/14 @ 4:31] (3/10)

With regard to your (and Alveric's comment below), <NZ Strider> [7/14 @ 15:14] (2/2)

Question about elvish <Ransom> [7/14 @ 16:59] (0/0)
For us it is a metaphor. <Curious> [7/14 @ 15:51] (0/0)

Just a passing comment. <N.E. Brigand> [7/14 @ 10:54] (0/0)
What is the Void? <Stanislaus B.> [7/14 @ 6:54] (1/5)

But how can Melkor visit the Void <Curious> [7/14 @ 10:33] (1/4)

Tolkien about Void <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/14 @ 13:33] (1/3)

Tolkien himself seems undecided, <Curious> [7/14 @ 13:47] (1/2)

Walking in the Void <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/14 @ 14:31] (1/1)

Ah! Now I understand. <Curious> [7/14 @ 15:38] (0/0)

Secret Fire and Void <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/13 @ 16:15] (2/2)

The trouble with Metaphorical descriptions of the indescribable <Alveric> [7/14 @ 12:07] (0/0)
I'm not sure I agree. <Curious> [7/13 @ 16:52] (0/0)

From void to empty space? <nerdanel_50> [7/13 @ 10:56] (0/0)
Unknowables <drogo_drogo> [7/13 @ 6:56] (1/1)

I love your open answers-- <CelebornsMirror> [7/13 @ 13:36] (0/0)

Some more answers <Alveric> [7/13 @ 5:55] (1/5)

Ainur: individuality from the beginning? <an seileachan> [7/13 @ 6:31] (4/4)

Valar and Maiar <Beren IV> [7/14 @ 3:42] (0/0)
Certainly - as we have already read. <Orald> [7/13 @ 11:26] (0/0)
or created by their making of music? <Lúthien_Rising> [7/13 @ 9:21] (0/0)
I'd say so yes <Alveric> [7/13 @ 6:53] (0/0)

Our minds cannot fathom <jrosebud> [7/13 @ 3:22] (1/1)

nice (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/13 @ 13:30] (0/0)

the music is Eru given form and substance <linkinparkelf> [7/13 @ 3:21] (0/0)
Our definitions do not apply <Beren IV> [7/13 @ 2:56] (1/1)

"the Elves' creation MYTH," ramblings thereon <Lúthien_Rising> [7/13 @ 9:17] (0/0)

Howard Shore once talked about the colors of music <Entmaiden> [7/12 @ 23:14] (3/8)

I am a classical pianist <CelebornsMirror> [7/13 @ 13:43] (1/4)

OT: What a cool job! <Curious> [7/15 @ 10:04] (1/3)

:) I need to hear that every now and again <CelebornsMirror> [7/15 @ 11:57] (1/2)

Me too. <Curious> [7/15 @ 12:59] (1/1)

Ah ha! <CelebornsMirror> [7/15 @ 18:19] (0/0)

you speak for me. (No Text) <Ascarwen> [7/13 @ 10:11] (0/0)
OT: this is called synesthesia <an seileachan> [7/13 @ 6:24] (1/1)

Very interesting - thanks for the link <Entmaiden> [7/13 @ 9:53] (0/0)

The Music <MWStrider> [7/12 @ 22:46] (0/0)
For all shall then understand <A'amel> [7/12 @ 22:35] (0/0)
in a glass darkly <Menelwyn> [7/12 @ 22:00] (0/0)
By request by the Ainur orcestra, conducted by Eru <King Of Easterlings> [7/12 @ 22:00] (0/0)
Spirit, music & physicality. <Penthe> [7/12 @ 21:08] (0/0)
Let's get physical <Orald> [7/12 @ 20:45] (1/4)

Barfield <Ransom> [7/12 @ 23:16] (2/3)

I'll give it a try now <Ransom> [7/13 @ 15:51] (1/1)

I see what you mean though <Alveric> [7/14 @ 12:13] (0/0)

nice (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/13 @ 11:39] (0/0)

Some interpretations (muddled or otherwise) <snowdropper> [7/12 @ 20:19] (0/0)
Hmm... <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 19:44] (0/0)
Don't know what to make of some of this, <erather> [7/12 @ 19:43] (2/5)

heavenly harmonies <Modtheow> [7/12 @ 23:23] (1/1)

Love making the World go Round <Alveric> [7/13 @ 6:20] (0/0)

Music of the spheres <Lúthien_Rising> [7/12 @ 21:48] (2/2)

Some other heavenly music (No Text - Link Inside) <Ivy Sandybanks> [7/15 @ 1:03] (0/0)
thanks! how interesting! (No Text) <an seileachan> [7/12 @ 22:24] (0/0)

* Websites Directory * <Daughter of Nienna> [7/12 @ 18:44] (6/6)

Very helpful. Thank you. (No Text) <Silent _ Watcher> [7/13 @ 9:35] (0/0)
Hannon le! That's great! (No Text) <Menelwyn> [7/13 @ 9:28] (0/0)
I can see I'm going to have to reorganise my bookmarks. Ta muchly (No Text) <Penthe> [7/12 @ 20:52] (0/0)
Thanks for the Webliography, definite bookmark here (No Text) <drogo_drogo> [7/12 @ 19:15] (0/0)
That's great, thanks so much! (No Text) <erather> [7/12 @ 19:14] (0/0)
Thank You <Hurin_Thalion> [7/12 @ 18:56] (0/0)

OT: sort of <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 14:18] (3/7)

Perhaps you could... <N.E. Brigand> [7/12 @ 16:01] (0/0)
Apologies, if someone feels it should be deleted that is fine. (No Text) <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 15:44] (0/0)
This would be better on Main. (No Text) <WhiteAslan > [7/12 @ 14:25] (1/4)

Thought about that however, <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 14:27] (1/3)

But your topic has nothing to do with books. (No Text) <WhiteAslan > [7/12 @ 15:22] (1/2)

Well, I left that part out <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 15:30] (1/1)

Just so you know, <Ataahua> [7/12 @ 15:34] (0/0)

Denethor, Éomer, and Despair <MaidenOfTheShieldarm> [7/12 @ 13:23] (6/9)

It took Denethor 30 years to reach this point <Cressida> [7/12 @ 23:03] (1/1)

Wrong decisions <Penthe> [7/12 @ 23:10] (0/0)

There are many differences. <erather> [7/12 @ 19:26] (0/0)
Perhaps Denethor is, after all, not greater than Éomer? <NZ Strider> [7/12 @ 19:20] (1/1)

Parallel with Sam <Penthe> [7/12 @ 20:45] (0/0)

This illustrates one of the great fallacies about Tolkien . . . <Pukel-man> [7/12 @ 18:58] (1/1)

That's a good one... <Beren IV> [7/13 @ 2:28] (0/0)

Eomer is young, Denethor is old! <Penthe> [7/12 @ 18:52] (0/0)
I never have looked at that, but <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 14:25] (0/0)

Ainulindale: The Downbeat (& an important message for all posters) <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 13:12] (14/48)

Sorry, I can't do it. <Curious> [7/13 @ 19:10] (0/0)
First time reader here... <HobbitHearted> [7/13 @ 12:29] (0/0)
Subcreations of the Ainur <Beren IV> [7/13 @ 2:25] (0/0)
the Flame <Goldilocks Took> [7/12 @ 22:49] (0/0)
The Song of Songs <Orald> [7/12 @ 20:11] (1/7)

Animals & consciousness. Hmmm <Penthe> [7/12 @ 21:12] (2/6)

We didn't start the fire. <Orald> [7/12 @ 21:53] (2/3)

*stiffles back a chuckle* <jrosebud> [7/13 @ 3:09] (1/1)

I find it fitting. <Orald> [7/13 @ 11:30] (0/0)

It is impossible for us to judge <erather> [7/12 @ 22:18] (0/0)

The Secret Fire is present in all life. <erather> [7/12 @ 21:22] (1/1)

Yep, sentience abounds even in RL. <Penthe> [7/12 @ 21:36] (0/0)

may I interrupt for a brief pronunciation question? <an seileachan> [7/12 @ 18:05] (1/3)

ainoorlee'ndahleh (where 'ai' is pronounced like English 'eye') <erather> [7/12 @ 19:13] (1/2)

Or "eye-nuh-LIHN-da-leh". <Orald> [7/12 @ 19:50] (1/1)

Thanks, I was stuttering over that one... <HobbitHearted> [7/13 @ 14:27] (0/0)

unity, diversity and creativity <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/12 @ 17:35] (1/3)

to avoid annoying everyone else, i should prolly get your email address so i can keep saying LOVE YOUR POSTS! (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 19:17] (2/2)

*looks startled* <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/13 @ 14:25] (0/0)
Maybe we could start a fan club :-) (No Text) <Penthe> [7/13 @ 1:46] (0/0)

My answers <Ascarwen> [7/12 @ 16:34] (1/3)

about the Trinity <an seileachan> [7/12 @ 18:02] (1/2)

I wasn't denying the existence of <Ascarwen> [7/12 @ 20:54] (1/1)

yes, I know :-) <an seileachan> [7/12 @ 22:24] (0/0)

I've never thought about this passage, <Lúthien_Rising> [7/12 @ 16:10] (6/12)

Madeleine L'Engle often describes the music of the stars <linkinparkelf> [7/13 @ 2:42] (0/0)
I've always been fascinated by the sequence <hatster> [7/12 @ 19:24] (1/1)

Music as the metaphor for ... <Ascarwen> [7/12 @ 20:57] (0/0)

Ulmo <Dain II Ironfoot> [7/12 @ 18:05] (1/1)

now *there's* a plan :-) (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/12 @ 18:26] (0/0)

Are you asking about stories, or legends? <Arevanye> [7/12 @ 17:34] (1/3)

legends, really <Lúthien_Rising> [7/12 @ 17:43] (1/2)

Something for you to check out <Ivy Sandybanks> [7/13 @ 18:29] (1/1)

Thanks! (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/13 @ 19:19] (0/0)

Not quite the same, but <squire > [7/12 @ 16:43] (0/0)
I don'r know about any other stories.. <A'amel> [7/12 @ 16:28] (1/1)

I always imagine Bach. (No Text) <Penthe> [7/12 @ 21:15] (0/0)

Team building <erather> [7/12 @ 15:42] (3/3)

Another thought on #3. <erather> [7/12 @ 21:07] (0/0)
agreed, nice on the teamwork! (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 19:18] (0/0)
I agree with your view of "team building" <A'amel> [7/12 @ 16:13] (0/0)

One answer <Inferno> [7/12 @ 14:43] (0/0)
Working together <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 14:12] (0/0)
Some quick answers... <NZ Strider> [7/12 @ 14:05] (0/0)
"Heaven" is other people <drogo_drogo> [7/12 @ 13:29] (2/3)

Very interesting points on hell (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 15:03] (0/0)
free will of the Ainur <Lúthien_Rising> [7/12 @ 14:03] (1/1)

All that comes into being from Eru is creation <drogo_drogo> [7/12 @ 18:52] (0/0)

THE SILMARILLION: Ainulindale #1 The Curtain Rises <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 10:21] (26/55)

The Ainulindalë is an Ainur-centric tale. <Curious> [7/13 @ 18:56] (0/0)
Colons and semicolons <erather> [7/13 @ 13:39] (1/3)

technical answer <Lúthien_Rising> [7/13 @ 14:35] (1/2)

It was a US printing <erather> [7/13 @ 14:44] (1/1)

printings vs. editions <Lúthien_Rising> [7/13 @ 15:13] (0/0)

Much as everybody else says... <Beren IV> [7/13 @ 3:02] (0/0)
The first line tells me <linkinparkelf> [7/13 @ 2:15] (0/0)
inchoate rambling <nerdanel_50> [7/13 @ 0:44] (1/1)

love your #1 (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/13 @ 13:56] (0/0)

I have the space! <Entmaiden> [7/12 @ 23:06] (1/2)

pssst, Entmaiden <nerdanel_50> [7/12 @ 23:52] (1/1)

pssssst....I'll be there Sunday <Entmaiden> [7/13 @ 9:11] (0/0)

takes breath <Goldilocks Took> [7/12 @ 22:29] (1/1)

Sorry, red X of doom here. (No Text) <erather> [7/12 @ 22:36] (0/0)

Two brief comments on language <Modtheow> [7/12 @ 20:53] (0/0)
43% redundancy-free post -- guaranteed! <Orald> [7/12 @ 19:39] (0/0)
Nice to discuss with all of you, <ringers reprise> [7/12 @ 18:58] (0/0)
very short addition to this... <Penthe> [7/12 @ 18:46] (0/0)
and all the choirs of angels... <an seileachan> [7/12 @ 17:36] (0/0)
About names <Silent _ Watcher> [7/12 @ 17:23] (0/0)
Eru's management style <erather> [7/12 @ 14:17] (1/1)

Having been a business person <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 14:29] (0/0)

when the morning stars sang together <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/12 @ 13:32] (2/4)

Also reminiscent of Narnia <Alveric> [7/13 @ 3:56] (1/1)

Neat! I'd forgotten that. (No Text) <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/13 @ 10:34] (0/0)

when will you cease to amaze? :) (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 14:56] (1/1)

Clearly you missed my "more on 'niggle'" post (thanks, though!) (No Text) <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/12 @ 16:43] (0/0)

In the Beginning <Bythedar> [7/12 @ 13:09] (0/0)
This first sentence actually hit me hard, <A'amel> [7/12 @ 12:32] (1/3)

I must contest the dark thoughts... <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 13:09] (1/2)

What I took A'amel to say was <Bythedar> [7/12 @ 13:21] (1/1)

You took me correctly Bythedar. I apologize for any confusion. (No Text) <A'amel> [7/12 @ 14:04] (0/0)

Silmarillion and Lord Dunsany <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/12 @ 12:25] (0/0)
starting at the first sentence! (and a suggestion) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/12 @ 12:13] (1/5)

Awesome post. <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 12:28] (1/4)

I think I just mean <Lúthien_Rising> [7/12 @ 12:52] (1/3)

You might check with Altaira on this <drogo_drogo> [7/12 @ 13:14] (1/2)

Here here! :) (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 14:59] (1/1)

er... hear hear! (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/13 @ 13:59] (0/0)

Some quick answers <Alveric> [7/12 @ 12:05] (0/0)
complexity right from the start <Menelwyn> [7/12 @ 12:00] (2/5)

So I guess I'd be wrong for saying, <ringers reprise> [7/12 @ 19:11] (1/1)

simplicity is good too! <Menelwyn> [7/13 @ 8:34] (0/0)

Arda and Ardath <Alveric> [7/12 @ 12:15] (2/2)

Googling Ardath <Penthe> [7/12 @ 20:50] (0/0)
interesting! (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 15:11] (0/0)

Creation stories and angels in a nutshell (a.k.a. "Quick answers") <drogo_drogo> [7/12 @ 11:41] (1/1)

Angels vs. ancient mythology <Azree> [7/12 @ 12:42] (0/0)

Creator and co-creators <snowdropper> [7/12 @ 11:36] (0/0)
Beginnings are such delicate times... <Ascarwen> [7/12 @ 11:31] (2/2)

ECHO! Thanks that was the word I was looking for (No Text) <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 13:22] (0/0)
I like the Frank Herbert allusion here :-) (No Text) <drogo_drogo> [7/12 @ 11:41] (0/0)

A new way of thinking of something old? <Angacam> [7/12 @ 11:12] (0/0)
My first shot at a book discussion. <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 10:44] (1/1)

You're doing great, loved your answers! (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/12 @ 12:29] (0/0)

The Mirror of Galadriel... Dangerous!? <NoneOfTheAbove> [7/12 @ 3:37] (3/7)

a mix of both <ringwraithmaster> [7/14 @ 22:35] (0/0)
I think it's some of both <momtohalflings> [7/12 @ 11:24] (0/0)
I think what she means <Man of Rohan> [7/12 @ 9:15] (1/4)

As for the Ring... <Man of Rohan> [7/12 @ 9:21] (1/3)

oh... <NoneOfTheAbove> [7/12 @ 10:23] (1/2)

Don't drop the theory so quickly <Man of Rohan> [7/12 @ 20:25] (1/1)

That's a good example with the darksides of whishes. <NoneOfTheAbove> [7/13 @ 2:28] (0/0)

For RR discussion veterans... <Tar-Telperien> [7/12 @ 3:02] (3/4)

What the others said <Entmaiden> [7/12 @ 19:05] (0/0)
Just to echo NZ and Kimi <drogo_drogo> [7/12 @ 11:48] (0/0)
Basically, whatever you think <NZ Strider> [7/12 @ 4:27] (1/1)

Good answer. <Kimi> [7/12 @ 4:34] (0/0)

Elvish medicine <Tail-kinker> [7/12 @ 0:29] (2/3)

Elves seem to reside much more in harmony with nature <erather> [7/12 @ 22:33] (1/1)

Interesting insights. (No Text) <Tail-kinker> [7/13 @ 21:35] (0/0)

Details aren't given, <Beren IV> [7/12 @ 1:48] (0/0)

SIL SIL SIL SIL SIL <bigidiot> [7/11 @ 22:36] (0/0)

Best guide to middle earth? <momtohalflings> [7/11 @ 12:45] (1/6)

My opinion... <Taur Edhel> [7/11 @ 12:59] (2/5)

Foster as a guide <Beren IV> [7/12 @ 1:52] (0/0)
Be careful , though, because Foster does the same thing occasionally. <Azree> [7/11 @ 14:30] (3/3)

Foster is recommended by Michael Martinez, and that's <Elf_Maven> [7/12 @ 0:21] (0/0)
Fosters Guide <Meira> [7/11 @ 17:13] (0/0)
Thanks! <momtohalflings> [7/11 @ 14:56] (0/0)

OT: A question to anyone who has read "The Golden Compass" (Story Spoiler - His Dark Materials-Book 1) <canadanthony> [7/11 @ 12:39] (2/3)

Pullman added that line. <NZ Strider> [7/11 @ 15:14] (0/0)
Pullman's an admitted atheist <Arevanye> [7/11 @ 13:04] (1/1)

Alternate worlds. <Pukel-man> [7/11 @ 14:55] (0/0)

Simillarion Discussion? <newandluvinit> [7/11 @ 11:15] (2/4)

To butt in -- What about "On Fairy Stories?" <Ascarwen> [7/12 @ 8:45] (1/1)

that would be an interesting secondary discussion <Lúthien_Rising> [7/12 @ 9:34] (0/0)

It starts sometime on Monday <drogo_drogo> [7/11 @ 13:40] (1/1)

I guess it's my turn again eh? ;) (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/11 @ 16:56] (0/0)

Completely new to all this <newandluvinit> [7/10 @ 23:27] (3/8)

Welcome! Do you think that line... <N.E. Brigand> [7/11 @ 15:46] (1/1)

Well, <momtohalflings> [7/11 @ 17:28] (0/0)

Welcome! and since Kimi has answered your question <hatster> [7/11 @ 7:19] (1/4)

And as well, <Lúthien_Rising> [7/11 @ 9:38] (1/3)

Simillarion <newandluvinit> [7/11 @ 11:12] (2/2)

And as added help, here's a link to the schedule (No Text - Link Inside) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/11 @ 11:26] (0/0)
that's up to Celeborn’s Mirror <Lúthien_Rising> [7/11 @ 11:24] (0/0)

Welcome! It's in the chapter <Kimi> [7/11 @ 0:20] (0/0)

Smith of Wootton Major 1: Allegorical? Autobiographical? <Curious> [7/10 @ 22:36] (3/5)

Great Cake (down a rabbit trail) <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/11 @ 20:07] (0/0)
A few responses... <NZ Strider> [7/11 @ 5:48] (1/2)

9+24+24 <N.E. Brigand> [7/12 @ 15:20] (1/1)

Nice! (No Text) <Curious> [7/12 @ 20:50] (0/0)

They are Important Elements <erather> [7/10 @ 23:06] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #11: Summary <NZ Strider> [7/10 @ 17:00] (15/16)

Thanks--it was great reading... <notlost> [7/12 @ 16:59] (1/1)

Speedy recovery, poor spider victim :-( (No Text) <Penthe> [7/12 @ 22:48] (0/0)

Thanks everyone for the effoliation of a great discussion : ) <Modtheow> [7/12 @ 11:44] (0/0)
Thanks NZ! <Caleniel> [7/12 @ 2:22] (0/0)
Thanks, NZS - great discussion (No Text) <Entmaiden> [7/11 @ 21:56] (0/0)
Thanks NZ for leading such a great discussion. (No Text) <Penthe> [7/11 @ 20:00] (0/0)
Thanks, NZ. Great job! (No Text) <Bythedar> [7/11 @ 10:48] (0/0)
Thanks! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/11 @ 9:40] (0/0)
Thanks for leading a wonderful discussion <drogo_drogo> [7/11 @ 8:18] (0/0)
Thanks very much! <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/11 @ 3:10] (0/0)
Thank you NZS <Arevanye> [7/10 @ 23:16] (0/0)
A wonderful discussion! Thanks so much <Kimi> [7/10 @ 22:43] (0/0)
Thanks NZ! <hatster> [7/10 @ 21:48] (0/0)
Thank you NZ Strider <nerdanel_50> [7/10 @ 21:13] (0/0)
Thank you! Great job as always. <Curious> [7/10 @ 20:51] (0/0)
Cheers NZ! <beren_boy> [7/10 @ 19:10] (0/0)

Galadriel and the Ring <Beren IV> [7/10 @ 3:35] (4/4)

What about Galadriel herself? <Beren IV> [7/11 @ 2:15] (0/0)
oh and funny to see this question twice today <hatster> [7/10 @ 21:47] (0/0)
Interesting... Melkor and Sauron <hatster> [7/10 @ 12:18] (0/0)
One of the letters speaks about hireing orcs <Galadriel1a> [7/10 @ 6:29] (0/0)

How can Sauron select what Denethor sees? <Cressida> [7/9 @ 14:01] (4/23)

Clarification: HOW, not WHY <Cressida> [7/9 @ 17:07] (1/11)

That's where the magic comes in. :-) (No Text) <WhiteAslan > [7/9 @ 17:16] (1/10)

Yes, how? Hypnosis or shadowing? <Liath> [7/10 @ 9:56] (1/9)

We're told that Denethor was not dominated <Cressida> [7/10 @ 18:22] (2/8)

Why? - The overrated secrecy of the time; [Long, skip if boring,,,] <Liath> [7/11 @ 23:52] (2/5)

Assumptions <Cressida> [7/12 @ 12:24] (1/2)

Shrouding, & Denethor's isolationism <Liath> [7/13 @ 12:22] (1/1)

Quick Responses <Cressida> [7/13 @ 13:13] (0/0)

One note on Imladris <squire > [7/12 @ 11:06] (1/1)

Thank you, squire <Liath> [7/13 @ 12:41] (0/0)

Sauron controlled Google. <erather> [7/10 @ 22:18] (1/1)

Chatting with Sauron <Cressida> [7/12 @ 12:18] (0/0)

Another reason... <Man of Rohan> [7/9 @ 16:50] (0/0)
Will and authority <Inferno> [7/9 @ 16:22] (2/7)

Did Saruman "find" the One Ring by using the palantir? <Elf_Maven> [7/10 @ 1:25] (2/3)

He certainly found the spot. <erather> [7/10 @ 19:43] (1/1)

You're right--it's in the UT. <N.E. Brigand> [7/11 @ 18:21] (0/0)

I suppose <Beren IV> [7/10 @ 3:38] (0/0)

Didn't Saruman arguably have a right to use it? <erather> [7/9 @ 19:01] (2/2)

Quesitonable, that. <PhantomS> [7/10 @ 8:32] (0/0)
The stone did not belong... <Man of Rohan> [7/9 @ 23:20] (0/0)

Magic. <WhiteAslan > [7/9 @ 14:31] (1/1)

I thought magic didn't exist in... <Macca> [7/11 @ 20:46] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #10: Open Discussion <NZ Strider> [7/9 @ 12:40] (3/15)

I believe this is Tolkien's illustration: (No Text - Link Inside) <Curious> [7/10 @ 7:21] (0/0)
Paul Kocher on Leaf by Niggle [looong] <squire > [7/10 @ 0:34] (3/11)

Thanks for that, Squire. I too <NZ Strider> [7/10 @ 17:02] (0/0)
Interesting essay, thanks for posting (No Text) <Ransom> [7/10 @ 10:44] (0/0)
I still find it discordant <Curious> [7/10 @ 7:12] (3/8)

I feel your pain. <Ascarwen> [7/12 @ 21:00] (0/0)
Art, pride and sin <Ransom> [7/10 @ 10:34] (1/1)

"If you are left <Curious> [7/10 @ 21:41] (0/0)

no one in this world could wield the Ring safely <hatster> [7/10 @ 8:57] (2/4)

How to represent a 20th-century Purgatory <drogo_drogo> [7/10 @ 11:00] (1/1)

Do you think that is part of the point he is making here? <hatster> [7/10 @ 11:12] (0/0)

It reminds me of the Halls of Mandos, <Curious> [7/10 @ 10:27] (1/1)

I agree..though not so much buried but intentionally incomplete <hatster> [7/10 @ 10:54] (0/0)

JRRT portrayed in a roman a clef? <N.E. Brigand> [7/9 @ 16:05] (1/1)

From (imperfect) memory Linton Rd. <NZ Strider> [7/9 @ 20:44] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #9: The Two Epilogues <NZ Strider> [7/9 @ 3:46] (2/6)

the long defeat <hatster> [7/10 @ 8:35] (1/2)

The pun -- wow! <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/10 @ 10:47] (1/1)

of leaves and leafs and perishing Parishes....this story is so full of puns <hatster> [7/10 @ 11:08] (0/0)

not to mention Perkins <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/9 @ 11:59] (1/2)

love your footer! (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/9 @ 13:40] (1/1)

heh, I do believe I've actually seen said being :-) (No Text) <hatster> [7/10 @ 10:26] (0/0)

Dunlandings' coloring <Kili's aunt> [7/9 @ 0:31] (1/3)

from TT and the Appendix <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/9 @ 2:48] (1/2)

(Pssstt!) <Caleniel> [7/9 @ 3:41] (1/1)

Eh? Are you talking to me? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/9 @ 10:17] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #8: What’s in a Name? <NZ Strider> [7/8 @ 16:00] (5/11)

The religious and secular meanings of parish <Curious> [7/8 @ 23:08] (1/2)

How about religion filtered through the secular norms of society? <Caleniel> [7/9 @ 3:04] (1/1)

I wish I had seen this before I responded <hatster> [7/10 @ 8:59] (0/0)

Why would Tolkien deny the significance <Curious> [7/8 @ 19:04] (3/3)

I think it was a given he was being coy <hatster> [7/10 @ 14:38] (0/0)
Tolkien could be coy. <N.E. Brigand> [7/9 @ 10:15] (0/0)
Neighbours <Penthe> [7/8 @ 19:22] (0/0)

Parish workhouses... "Please, sir, I want some more." <drogo_drogo> [7/8 @ 18:05] (1/1)

here's the link --> (No Text - Link Inside) <drogo_drogo> [7/8 @ 19:53] (0/0)

more on "niggle" <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/8 @ 16:55] (0/0)
You are more right on this than you claim <squire > [7/8 @ 16:49] (0/0)

What's the appendices everybody talks about <Caranthir_Elanessë> [7/8 @ 8:20] (3/24)

The appendices come at the end of ROTK. <Tail-kinker> [7/9 @ 1:10] (0/0)
On this topic, a question about HoME <PisceanMaid> [7/8 @ 13:02] (6/19)

If you're feeling cheap... <Taur Edhel> [7/9 @ 12:05] (0/0)
Thank you everyone <PisceanMaid> [7/9 @ 9:23] (0/0)
Some thoughts, and links, on HoMe <Alveric> [7/9 @ 6:24] (0/0)
Oh and.. remember the Sil was published posthumously <hatster> [7/8 @ 18:50] (0/0)
it was something Tolkien wanted to publish <hatster> [7/8 @ 18:47] (1/1)

Thank you <Senta> [7/12 @ 1:14] (0/0)

Hogwash is a bit harsh <squire > [7/8 @ 13:43] (3/12)

Blame it on the publisher. <erather> [7/8 @ 16:06] (2/4)

The publisher and his friends..according to Christopher Tolkien <hatster> [7/8 @ 18:51] (0/0)
Epilogue intended as part of Appendices <Taur Edhel> [7/8 @ 18:03] (1/2)

You also get The Notion Club Papers <Alveric> [7/9 @ 6:39] (1/1)

The End of the Third Age... <Taur Edhel> [7/9 @ 11:57] (0/0)

psst! squire - be sure to read reprise thread, below. (No Text) <Elf_Maven> [7/8 @ 14:54] (1/3)

That's the loudest PSST! I've ever heard.... <squire > [7/8 @ 15:39] (1/2)

Now I'm curious . . . <Elf_Maven> [7/8 @ 17:31] (1/1)

Well, I never really saw the rules on this, but <squire > [7/8 @ 17:54] (0/0)

Ah, thanks <PisceanMaid> [7/8 @ 14:12] (2/2)

None of HoME is CT's. But <Curious> [7/8 @ 15:57] (0/0)
Stick around <squire > [7/8 @ 14:40] (0/0)

Very! <Caleniel> [7/8 @ 8:40] (2/2)

Max Schuchart <Caranthir_Elanessë> [7/8 @ 12:35] (0/0)
You'll be amazed. <squire > [7/8 @ 10:40] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #7: Scenic vistas and literature <NZ Strider> [7/8 @ 2:45] (4/17)

Unattainable vistas <Penthe> [7/8 @ 19:13] (1/12)

well, the CFOs don't care, <Lúthien_Rising> [7/8 @ 19:25] (2/11)

On Consistency <Mapalon> [7/9 @ 16:59] (1/4)

Maybe because it seems artificial <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/9 @ 18:48] (1/3)

most readers *do* though <Lúthien_Rising> [7/9 @ 19:14] (1/2)

I suppose I would say "realistic" <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/9 @ 20:05] (1/1)

definitely! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/9 @ 20:10] (0/0)

consistency, no thank you <Penthe> [7/8 @ 20:37] (3/5)

Hmmm... Occasionally, the results <NZ Strider> [7/9 @ 20:51] (1/1)

Thank you, that's very interesting. (No Text) <Penthe> [7/9 @ 22:47] (0/0)

Penguin has boxer shorts?! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/9 @ 8:32] (0/0)
Though of course one can argue <beren_boy> [7/8 @ 21:19] (1/1)

speculative fiction <Penthe> [7/8 @ 22:26] (0/0)

bblurrr-blur-ble..ptfaugh! <squire > [7/8 @ 10:35] (0/0)
Now he can see the Forest in spite of the Trees <Arevanye> [7/8 @ 9:00] (0/0)
Phlllgggt. <Curious> [7/8 @ 5:18] (1/1)

Neekabreek (to borrow from Samwise) <Bythedar> [7/8 @ 10:00] (0/0)

Reprise: hope's vs. hopes (the official version, for those who are interested) <Elf_Maven> [7/7 @ 18:40] (7/12)

kudos on getting Anderson's response <drogo_drogo> [7/8 @ 17:55] (1/3)

now, *there's* an exciting idea! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/8 @ 18:41] (2/2)

If I had actual contact <Elf_Maven> [7/8 @ 21:10] (0/0)
Discussing books we love <Penthe> [7/8 @ 20:40] (0/0)

Excellent! Thanks for updating us <Entmaiden> [7/8 @ 13:34] (0/0)
Wow! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/8 @ 11:49] (0/0)
Much thank's! ;o) (No Text) <nerdanel_50> [7/8 @ 10:27] (1/1)

Took me this long to <Elf_Maven> [7/10 @ 14:02] (0/0)

Thanks! <NZ Strider> [7/8 @ 2:49] (0/0)
Amazing! <erather> [7/7 @ 19:18] (0/0)
Wow! Thanks! (anyone have the link to squire's post?) (No Text) <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/7 @ 19:07] (1/1)

Here's the whole thread that brought this up. (No Text - Link Inside) <erather> [7/7 @ 19:28] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #6: The Tree (part 2) <NZ Strider> [7/7 @ 16:04] (5/13)

Perfection of the whole sub-creation versus the part <drogo_drogo> [7/8 @ 7:14] (0/0)
The Tree is an ideal. <Curious> [7/8 @ 4:45] (0/0)
The Tree is the tree Niggle painted; <nerdanel_50> [7/7 @ 23:12] (2/2)

Thanks for that comment; interesting. <NZ Strider> [7/8 @ 2:48] (0/0)
work done well... <Penthe> [7/8 @ 0:55] (0/0)

Wow, I hope this implies <erather> [7/7 @ 19:32] (0/0)
It is interesting to me <squire > [7/7 @ 18:16] (2/6)

our desire to have a lasting impact <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/7 @ 19:56] (1/1)

representation & reality <Penthe> [7/8 @ 0:51] (0/0)

It is indeed an intensely personal <NZ Strider> [7/7 @ 18:41] (3/3)

* Websites Directory * <Daughter of Nienna> [7/12 @ 15:40] (0/0)
Tolkien Encyclopedia Websites <Daughter of Nienna> [7/12 @ 14:42] (0/0)
Tolkien Research & Reference <Daughter of Nienna> [7/12 @ 14:35] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #5: The Workhouse <NZ Strider> [7/7 @ 3:09] (5/11)

Workhouse = time management seminar? <Modtheow> [7/8 @ 13:44] (1/1)

Personally, I dont think it was about what he was doing with his time <Bythedar> [7/8 @ 14:44] (0/0)

regarding purgatory <nerdanel_50> [7/7 @ 22:41] (0/0)
the accuser and the intercessor <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/7 @ 17:42] (1/2)

If not the Devil, the Devil's Advocate? (No Text - Link Inside) <Curious> [7/8 @ 4:12] (1/1)

Ah! Very interesting. <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/8 @ 9:44] (0/0)

Another interpretation of the Voices <Kimi> [7/7 @ 5:53] (2/2)

Interesting -- thanks for that! (No Text) <NZ Strider> [7/7 @ 16:05] (0/0)
Thanks for the researching and Googling <drogo_drogo> [7/7 @ 7:42] (0/0)

The Voices can't be God; they are too fallible. <Curious> [7/7 @ 5:24] (1/1)

Packing for the journey <Caleniel> [7/7 @ 5:41] (0/0)

Tree Ents <MUZIK22> [7/6 @ 17:31] (3/13)

Here's a nice summary. (No Text - Link Inside) <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/6 @ 18:03] (1/9)

Thanks for that link! <squire > [7/6 @ 18:51] (1/8)

You're welcome! And speaking of spirit... <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/6 @ 19:17] (3/7)

Pssssttt! (Speaking of footers) <Caleniel> [7/7 @ 5:46] (0/0)
For that compliment <squire > [7/6 @ 21:37] (1/3)

This strikes me <Merryk> [7/7 @ 0:06] (1/2)

or butterscotch? <squire > [7/7 @ 0:27] (1/1)

can I have ironically saccharine, please. (No Text) <Penthe> [7/8 @ 1:06] (0/0)

...which deserves to be collected & published somewhere! (No Text) <erather> [7/6 @ 19:26] (1/1)

Amen to that! (No Text) <Athena daughter of Zeus> [7/7 @ 0:47] (0/0)

Although one wonders <Lelin> [7/6 @ 17:43] (0/0)
no, it wasn't (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/6 @ 17:36] (1/1)

Ive always <MUZIK22> [7/6 @ 17:44] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #4: The Laws of the Land <NZ Strider> [7/6 @ 15:46] (7/33)

I don't think the law is fair at all. <Curious> [7/7 @ 5:13] (2/26)

Unfair? You said it! <Arevanye> [7/7 @ 10:26] (3/20)

And yet... <Smokering> [7/8 @ 22:06] (0/0)
Feanor and the Silmarills <Bythedar> [7/7 @ 11:49] (3/14)

Tolkien had a very nuanced view of art <Ransom> [7/8 @ 15:21] (0/0)
Not a literal interpretation, no <Arevanye> [7/7 @ 14:02] (4/9)

But what if Parish in part <Kimi> [7/7 @ 19:30] (1/4)

I'm glad you brought this up, <Arevanye> [7/7 @ 19:50] (1/3)

but how could he write about Eowyn... <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/7 @ 20:04] (1/2)

Can't have it both ways, <Arevanye> [7/7 @ 20:20] (1/1)

I vote for the boat ride! (No Text) <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/7 @ 20:25] (0/0)

"Now he was out of the shed..." <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/7 @ 17:09] (0/0)
Turning away from the outside world <erather> [7/7 @ 16:38] (1/1)

There you hit upon <Arevanye> [7/7 @ 19:16] (0/0)

Tolkien was angry too, <Curious> [7/7 @ 14:17] (0/0)

Niggle is no Feanor, though. <Curious> [7/7 @ 12:00] (1/2)

No, but different degrees of the same Principle, no? (No Text) <Bythedar> [7/7 @ 13:26] (1/1)

My gut says no. <Curious> [7/7 @ 13:53] (0/0)

C.S. Lewis performed that function. <Curious> [7/7 @ 11:15] (1/3)

Isn't another reason <Arevanye> [7/7 @ 14:17] (1/2)

I doubt <Curious> [7/8 @ 4:09] (1/1)

Making the demands on his time into the “law” <Arevanye> [7/8 @ 7:38] (0/0)

The Voices <Caleniel> [7/7 @ 5:34] (3/4)

Perfectly compatible w/ Catholic theology, so far as I know... <aragonvaar> [7/9 @ 13:03] (0/0)
Great point <drogo_drogo> [7/7 @ 7:37] (0/0)
Interesting idea! <Curious> [7/7 @ 5:53] (1/1)

Well, have YOUR inner critics ever made you... <aragonvaar> [7/9 @ 12:56] (0/0)

what I take from it <jrosebud> [7/7 @ 3:15] (0/0)
This part always brings to mind those old bomb shelter debates <hatster> [7/6 @ 22:06] (0/0)
rather good laws....and the nanny state. <Penthe> [7/6 @ 20:15] (0/0)
Judge by actions and judges <drogo_drogo> [7/6 @ 18:26] (0/0)
very useful indeed <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/6 @ 17:53] (0/0)
Intersesting, always took it as Work vs Hobby <Bythedar> [7/6 @ 16:06] (0/0)

Non-Niggle... About Elven economy <Lelin> [7/6 @ 15:09] (6/32)

In The Peoples of Middle-earth <Curious> [7/7 @ 7:39] (1/1)

They probably fish also... <aragonvaar> [7/9 @ 13:08] (0/0)

You're not the only one to ponder this <squire > [7/6 @ 22:43] (4/5)

hmmmmmm very odd... I was just thinking <hatster> [7/7 @ 7:33] (1/1)

*tips hat, blows kiss* (No Text) <squire > [7/7 @ 8:26] (0/0)

ROTFLMAO! Especially because of your footer! (No Text) <Lelin> [7/7 @ 2:47] (0/0)
Eeek! Phillipa is running low on patience... <Caleniel> [7/7 @ 2:29] (0/0)
lol! <Beren IV> [7/7 @ 1:40] (0/0)

Fruits and Nuts <Beren IV> [7/6 @ 20:58] (1/5)

But Lembas, for example, seems bread-ish, <erather> [7/6 @ 22:45] (1/4)

Lembas has its own chapter <Kimi> [7/7 @ 0:41] (1/3)

Lembas is different, then, a very maize-like grass <Beren IV> [7/7 @ 1:38] (1/2)

Tolkien Research & Reference <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 23:14] (1/1)

Thanks!! (No Text) <Lelin> [7/10 @ 5:20] (0/0)

The Parish-Elves grow the potatoes! (No Text) <Penthe> [7/6 @ 20:05] (1/1)

Lol! (No Text) <Lelin> [7/7 @ 2:49] (0/0)

I wish I had a copy of Leaf by Niggle... (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/6 @ 16:49] (2/10)

Buy one! <Curious> [7/7 @ 7:26] (2/8)

mine's in "Tales of the Perilous Realm" (No Text) <Lúthien_Rising> [7/7 @ 14:11] (0/0)
I bought Tree and Leaf <Caleniel> [7/7 @ 7:31] (1/6)

Smith of Wooton Major <Curious> [7/7 @ 7:42] (2/5)

I have Smith & Giles in the same slender volume, <erather> [7/7 @ 16:17] (0/0)
Thank you! <Caleniel> [7/7 @ 7:59] (1/3)

About The Books References <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 23:05] (2/2)

Wow! *click, save* (No Text) <Curious> [7/10 @ 21:46] (0/0)
Excellent reference list - thanks!! (No Text) <Lelin> [7/10 @ 5:19] (0/0)

I'd gladly lend you mine <Lelin> [7/6 @ 17:10] (0/0)

Interesting article on the Elven economy in the Grey Havens <drogo_drogo> [7/6 @ 15:47] (1/4)

Cool article. Thanks, drogo_drogo! <Lelin> [7/6 @ 16:08] (1/3)

But they do exist! I should know - being one of them! <Beren IV> [7/6 @ 20:49] (1/2)

Silmarillion Links Directory <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 21:54] (1/1)

Thanks for the Sil link, and the Prequels Tour! (No Text) <Lelin> [7/10 @ 5:24] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #3: The Tree <NZ Strider> [7/6 @ 3:33] (7/9)

Oak = Lit.? Neat! <N.E. Brigand> [7/7 @ 14:49] (0/0)
'real' trees and 'art' trees <Penthe> [7/6 @ 20:04] (0/0)
primary and secondary trees <Lúthien_Rising> [7/6 @ 15:20] (0/0)
Tolkien's Tree of Tales <Modtheow> [7/6 @ 13:03] (0/0)
I think that I shall never see a legendarium as lovely as a tree <drogo_drogo> [7/6 @ 11:07] (0/0)
Tolkien liked trees, and not just as metaphors. <Curious> [7/6 @ 10:32] (1/2)

Forests, on the other hand... <N.E. Brigand> [7/7 @ 11:08] (1/1)

Forest can be dangerous, but <Curious> [7/7 @ 11:42] (0/0)

Tree is a natural metaphor <Bythedar> [7/6 @ 9:45] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #2: Niggle and Parish <NZ Strider> [7/5 @ 14:39] (6/13)

Niggle and Parish <nerdanel_50> [7/6 @ 15:42] (0/0)
how does "one single individual" split up? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/6 @ 12:44] (1/2)

Lone Ranger Christians! LOL (No Text) <Penthe> [7/6 @ 19:51] (1/1)

Tolkien Encyclopedia Websites <Daughter of Nienna> [7/10 @ 0:22] (0/0)

Does Tolkien really care for Parish? <Curious> [7/6 @ 3:31] (2/3)

The artist divided <Lúthien_Rising> [7/6 @ 8:52] (0/0)
On the other hand, Niggle did eat <NZ Strider> [7/6 @ 3:45] (1/1)

Don't forget Tolkien's *real* neighbor <Curious> [7/6 @ 10:18] (0/0)

I like to think that <Kimi> [7/6 @ 0:00] (0/0)
It's the Wallace Stevens problem to a degree <drogo_drogo> [7/5 @ 15:59] (2/2)

Another such example <NZ Strider> [7/6 @ 18:21] (0/0)
Ordinary life and the longing for Elves <Modtheow> [7/6 @ 13:42] (0/0)

Q3. <beren_boy> [7/5 @ 15:26] (0/0)

Secondary Discussion: Leaf by Niggle: #1: Introduction <NZ Strider> [7/5 @ 0:47] (10/59)

Tolkien used allegory. <N.E. Brigand> [7/6 @ 19:51] (0/0)
Not so much autobiography as <nerdanel_50> [7/6 @ 15:57] (0/0)
Question from a frustrated reader <Bythedar> [7/6 @ 13:24] (4/14)

Add a third type of person to your list: <jrosebud> [7/7 @ 2:46] (1/3)

I think you're talking about me! <Entmaiden> [7/7 @ 9:35] (2/2)

I'm so happy to hear <Arevanye> [7/7 @ 14:56] (0/0)
Ah, Jack (or Janes!) of all trades, master of none? <Bythedar> [7/7 @ 10:57] (0/0)

Medieval theories of allegory can help explain <drogo_drogo> [7/6 @ 15:24] (1/6)

Come now! <Bythedar> [7/6 @ 15:45] (4/5)

About means and ends, perhaps? <Caleniel> [7/7 @ 5:01] (0/0)
From Curious' footer: <erather> [7/6 @ 22:58] (1/1)

Poor old Joseph Conrad <Penthe> [7/8 @ 1:05] (0/0)

sledgehammer allegory vs. Tolkien's definition <Modtheow> [7/6 @ 18:36] (0/0)
It's really a matter of degree <drogo_drogo> [7/6 @ 17:49] (0/0)

Maybe <nerdanel_50> [7/6 @ 15:00] (1/1)

So Tolkien's dislike of allegory <Bythedar> [7/6 @ 15:24] (0/0)

I suppose that I'm an "English" person... <NZ Strider> [7/6 @ 14:22] (0/0)

I'm confused. <squire > [7/6 @ 0:23] (3/3)

Allegory, myth, and thinking allegorically <Modtheow> [7/6 @ 11:59] (0/0)
I find it moving to see Tolkien <Curious> [7/6 @ 2:27] (0/0)
Don't hold back <Ransom> [7/6 @ 0:31] (0/0)

Speaking out of turn <Kimi> [7/5 @ 23:53] (1/2)

But no such analyses are a complete explanation even of a short story.... <Penthe> [7/6 @ 0:05] (1/1)

Yes! Otherwise <Kimi> [7/6 @ 0:11] (0/0)

Hmm. What are we doing when we write? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/5 @ 14:53] (2/5)

love those quotes (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/6 @ 16:14] (0/0)
ah but if you think of the self (or at least the authorial self) <hatster> [7/5 @ 19:38] (2/3)

No, not just rambling <Lúthien_Rising> [7/6 @ 8:50] (0/0)
this seems like a paradox <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/5 @ 21:46] (1/1)

yes it is a paradox :-) (No Text) <hatster> [7/5 @ 22:06] (0/0)

Academic guilt and the Romantic artist <drogo_drogo> [7/5 @ 8:31] (1/7)

The Romantic Author and the pre-Romantic (sub)creator <Lúthien_Rising> [7/5 @ 9:53] (2/6)

Perhaps it calls the self-sufficient Artist into question <drogo_drogo> [7/5 @ 15:39] (0/0)
Would you please elaborate on your final point? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/5 @ 11:01] (1/4)

I'll try! <Lúthien_Rising> [7/5 @ 12:00] (1/3)

ah - that helps <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/5 @ 14:24] (1/2)

I would, yes <Lúthien_Rising> [7/5 @ 14:43] (1/1)

Malory & picaresque adventures <Penthe> [7/5 @ 20:40] (0/0)

Tolkien defined these terms (autobiography and allegory) narrowly <hatster> [7/5 @ 8:08] (3/5)

I understand Tolkien's use of allegory <Entmaiden> [7/5 @ 22:56] (0/0)
All very interesting. I wonder now if even C.S. Lewis's works <NZ Strider> [7/5 @ 14:36] (2/2)

Lewis also denied allegory <Ransom> [7/6 @ 0:28] (0/0)
Aslan is Christ. <Curious> [7/5 @ 15:49] (0/0)

Analogues, perhaps <drogo_drogo> [7/5 @ 8:56] (0/0)

Neither autobiography nor allegory, I judge. <Curious> [7/5 @ 1:26] (4/12)

Have to take issue w/ your choice of examples... <aragonvaar> [7/6 @ 11:37] (1/2)

Did you see my retraction? (No Text) <Curious> [7/7 @ 4:41] (1/1)

The retraction only dealt w/ the question of Niggle as allegory... <aragonvaar> [7/9 @ 12:51] (0/0)

I retract my statements. <Curious> [7/6 @ 2:16] (1/1)

ah...but I can imagine it and I love the story even more (No Text) <hatster> [7/6 @ 20:50] (0/0)

At times, in my life <Merryk> [7/6 @ 0:03] (0/0)
The allegory in Niggle shows <Ransom> [7/5 @ 10:36] (1/5)

Metaphor vs. allegory. <Curious> [7/5 @ 15:46] (1/4)

metaphor, symbolism and allegory <Penthe> [7/5 @ 20:30] (2/3)

Point taken. <Curious> [7/6 @ 1:21] (0/0)
how about "parable?" <Merryk> [7/6 @ 0:59] (1/1)

Perhaps. <Curious> [7/6 @ 1:51] (0/0)

allegory & autobiography <Penthe> [7/5 @ 1:08] (1/1)

allegory for ... <Lúthien_Rising> [7/5 @ 14:45] (0/0)

"The dragon passed like an express train..." <Darkwish> [7/4 @ 18:02] (3/30)

True, but anyone could get confused <Liath> [7/8 @ 23:47] (1/8)

Silmarillion Part 1-The Five Sections: overviews <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 20:33] (1/7)

Silmarillion Part 2–Refs: Groups, Geneologies, Maps, Places, Events… <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 20:38] (1/6)

Silmarillion Part 3: The Stories, Essays and Art <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 20:52] (1/5)

Hi, DoN <Altaira> [7/9 @ 21:24] (1/4)

yes <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 21:47] (1/3)

Hmmm <Altaira> [7/9 @ 23:16] (1/2)

ok <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 23:37] (1/1)

Hmmm #2 <Altaira> [7/10 @ 0:27] (0/0)

In the Annotated Hobbit, there's a footnote <Entmaiden> [7/6 @ 9:18] (5/10)

Silmarillion Part 1-The Five Sections: overviews <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 20:13] (1/2)

Silmarillion Part 2–Refs: Groups, Geneologies, Maps, Places, Events… <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 20:18] (1/1)

Silmarillion Part 3: The Stories, Essays and Art <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 20:21] (0/0)

Silmarillion Part I-The Five Sections: overviews <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 19:22] (2/3)

Silmarillion Part 2–Refs: Groups, Geneologies, Maps, Places, Events… <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 19:47] (1/1)

Silmarillion Part 3: The Stories, Essays and Art <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 19:53] (0/0)

Silmarillion Part 2–References: Groups, Geneologies, Maps, Places Events… <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 19:33] (0/0)

Silmarillion Part 2 – References: Groups, Geneologies, Maps, Places Events, etc. <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 7:41] (0/0)
Silmarillion Part 3: The Stories, Essays and Art <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 7:36] (0/0)
Silmarillion Part I-The Five Sections: overviews <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 7:16] (0/0)

Discussion on the Main board <Penthe> [7/4 @ 20:38] (9/9)

Silmarillion Part 2 - References –People: Groups, Geneologies, etc. <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 7:11] (0/0)
Sil References Part 3: The Stories, Essays and Art <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 6:55] (0/0)
Silmarillion Part I-The Five Sections: overviews <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 6:45] (0/0)
Silmarillion Part 2 - References –People: Groups, Geneologies, etc. <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 6:35] (0/0)
Silmarillion Links Part 3: The Stories, Essays and Art <Daughter of Nienna> [7/9 @ 6:29] (0/0)
Essay Pages Links <Daughter of Nienna> [7/8 @ 23:51] (0/0)
Tolkien Encyclopedia Websites <Daughter of Nienna> [7/8 @ 23:36] (0/0)
Tolkien Research & Reference <Daughter of Nienna> [7/8 @ 23:31] (0/0)
Tolkien Encyclopedia Websites <Daughter of Nienna> [7/8 @ 23:25] (0/0)

Roll Call for July Discussion Leaders <Altaira> [7/4 @ 12:29] (6/8)

Here... me again!! :O (No Text) <CelebornsMirror> [7/5 @ 11:10] (0/0)
I'm here (No Text) <drogo_drogo> [7/5 @ 8:03] (0/0)
I wish.. <Apple Gooncha> [7/5 @ 3:19] (0/0)
No sleep in July for me, I see. <Curious> [7/5 @ 0:50] (1/1)

I noticed that <Altaira> [7/5 @ 17:00] (0/0)

A watched pot never boils <squire > [7/5 @ 0:07] (0/0)
Why??? <beren_boy> [7/4 @ 19:57] (1/1)

Sorry <Altaira> [7/4 @ 20:52] (0/0)

glorfindel in letters <hills> [7/4 @ 0:58] (1/1)

Peoples of Middle-Earth <drogo_drogo> [7/4 @ 8:11] (0/0)

My Liege Lord <Senta> [7/3 @ 22:33] (2/3)

liege lord <PhantomS> [7/5 @ 11:46] (1/1)

Um, you do mean Aragorn in the 2nd paragraph, don't you? (No Text) <erather> [7/6 @ 16:23] (0/0)

I believe what Eowyn means... <Nimrodel > [7/3 @ 22:50] (0/0)

appendix question <ShadowfaxRoxMySox> [7/3 @ 19:22] (1/3)

Silmarillion Appendix <drogo_drogo> [7/3 @ 19:55] (2/2)

ah! thats why! thanks! (No Text) <ShadowfaxRoxMySox> [7/4 @ 13:16] (0/0)
Yes, one of my favorite parts ot the whole book :) (No Text) <Beren IV> [7/3 @ 23:50] (0/0)

Questions about religion <Tail-kinker> [7/3 @ 12:39] (3/6)

Well.... <elvendala> [7/5 @ 11:34] (0/0)
Answers <Chip of Dale> [7/4 @ 9:11] (0/0)
About yule <Meira> [7/3 @ 13:02] (1/3)

That is exactly what the Church did. <Baggins Babe> [7/4 @ 6:00] (1/2)

Other Pagan / Christian festivals in ME? <Meira> [7/5 @ 6:58] (1/1)

The pagans and druids celebrate it....... <Baggins Babe> [7/5 @ 15:46] (0/0)

Tolkien and the Great War <Firiel50> [7/3 @ 7:18] (6/12)

I mentioned Tolkien in my English exam... <Sundance> [7/5 @ 13:36] (1/1)

Sundance, you might be interested <Kimi> [7/5 @ 16:09] (0/0)

thank you for quoting that.. I was planning to do it myself <hatster> [7/5 @ 11:51] (0/0)
I've... <Apple Gooncha> [7/4 @ 4:35] (0/0)
What a thing to call "Great." <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/3 @ 19:41] (2/2)

Funny about words... <Nimrodel > [7/4 @ 22:25] (0/0)
Probably true <Firiel50> [7/4 @ 6:57] (0/0)

such a grim picture <Arevanye> [7/3 @ 10:51] (1/3)

Of course you may. <Firiel50> [7/3 @ 11:31] (1/2)

I may just link <Arevanye> [7/3 @ 17:22] (1/1)

Exactly <Firiel50> [7/4 @ 6:17] (0/0)

Very interesting! <Galadriel1a> [7/3 @ 8:36] (0/0)

Does Osgiliath have another name? <Luithien> [7/2 @ 14:46] (2/4)

Things I found out re your post..... <elvendala> [7/2 @ 14:59] (1/2)

Osgiliath reborn? <Alveric> [7/4 @ 13:21] (1/1)

I believe it's in the Appendices or Peoples Of Middle Earth <PhantomS> [7/6 @ 15:13] (0/0)

He's probably thinking of <erather> [7/2 @ 14:56] (0/0)

Tolkein's Letters <Freda of Rohan> [7/2 @ 13:47] (2/3)

letters <Luithien> [7/2 @ 14:50] (0/0)
The Letters... <Taur Edhel> [7/2 @ 14:00] (1/1)

Balrog Links <Daughter of Nienna> [7/8 @ 14:07] (0/0)

Favorite of the VI books? <CelebornsMirror> [7/2 @ 11:49] (13/15)

Book 1 and 3 (No Text) <Erufaildon> [7/7 @ 8:55] (0/0)
Book 3, then book 5. <RosieLass> [7/4 @ 1:24] (0/0)
Book 3 <Wynnie> [7/3 @ 17:36] (0/0)
trite but sincere answer here... <an seileachan> [7/3 @ 11:04] (0/0)
It's decided then, <nerdanel_50> [7/3 @ 0:01] (0/0)
II and III <Beren IV> [7/2 @ 21:34] (0/0)
Absolutely Book 5. <erather> [7/2 @ 21:20] (0/0)
book 4 for sure..we're still with frodo... <nefisa2> [7/2 @ 18:34] (0/0)
Book 2 <drogo_drogo> [7/2 @ 17:52] (2/2)

2 is definitely most memorable <Shireborn> [7/5 @ 17:29] (0/0)
a 2nd vote for Book 2 <Merryk> [7/4 @ 15:35] (0/0)

Book I <nerdanel_50> [7/2 @ 17:19] (0/0)
Book 5 definately, then book 6.........(ROTK EE spoiler!) (Mini-Spoiler) <elvendala> [7/2 @ 15:08] (0/0)
fotr <Luithien> [7/2 @ 14:52] (0/0)
Book V followed closely by Book VI <Bythedar> [7/2 @ 14:23] (0/0)

Population Dynamics part IV - Men of the Twilight <Beren IV> [7/2 @ 3:59] (3/10)

Human lifespans <Beren IV> [7/2 @ 21:31] (1/2)

Lifespans <Senta> [7/3 @ 22:28] (1/1)

On that comment <Beren IV> [7/4 @ 17:19] (0/0)

Several thoughts. <Atlas> [7/2 @ 7:48] (0/0)
Few thoughts <Arathorn> [7/2 @ 5:22] (5/5)

Sil References Part 3: The Stories, Essays and Art <Daughter of Nienna> [7/8 @ 5:01] (0/0)
Silmarillion Part 2 - Sil Refs A – People: Groups, Geneologies, etc. <Daughter of Nienna> [7/8 @ 4:45] (0/0)
Silmarillion Part I-The Five Sections: overviews <Daughter of Nienna> [7/8 @ 4:39] (0/0)
Tolkien Research & Reference <Daughter of Nienna> [7/8 @ 2:47] (0/0)
The Hobbit – References and Websites <Daughter of Nienna> [7/8 @ 1:49] (0/0)

Inquiring minds want to know!! <drik00@yahoo.com> [7/1 @ 19:02] (3/14)

Tolkien wrote an essay on some issues <erather> [7/2 @ 16:08] (0/0)
Elves & Men are related, "brothers" actually <hartk> [7/2 @ 11:00] (1/1)

Although in the film... <Macca> [7/2 @ 11:56] (0/0)

Since elves, humans, and orcs interbreed, <Curious> [7/1 @ 19:49] (3/10)

ugh, just thought of something <drik00@yahoo.com> [7/2 @ 13:47] (2/4)

The gestation period is one year. <erather> [7/2 @ 21:18] (0/0)
We don't know that... <aragonvaar> [7/2 @ 15:36] (1/2)

Indeed! <Caleniel> [7/6 @ 4:56] (1/1)

Gwindor <Dain II Ironfoot> [7/6 @ 16:28] (0/0)

Immortality of Orcs and Half-elves <Stanislaus Bocian> [7/2 @ 13:30] (0/0)
Miriel's death <Beren IV> [7/2 @ 2:56] (1/3)

Her body didn't die. <Curious> [7/2 @ 4:19] (1/2)

Did Glorfindel's body die? <Beren IV> [7/4 @ 17:21] (1/1)

Yes. He was born again. <Curious> [7/5 @ 0:13] (0/0)

Hobbit Discussion: What did you learn? <Menelwyn> [7/1 @ 13:51] (9/21)

Too much to list...so i will anyway <Arquen> [7/2 @ 19:13] (3/3)

Stanislaus Bocian is not new, BTW. <Curious> [7/4 @ 4:01] (0/0)
Thanks for the reminders, Arquen <Penthe> [7/3 @ 0:31] (0/0)
does it count as learning if I already forgot it? <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/2 @ 20:05] (0/0)

Tolkien's many worlds <Beren IV> [7/2 @ 2:38] (0/0)
I learned to love the Reading Room... <Entwife Wandlimb> [7/2 @ 0:43] (6/6)

Tolkien Encyclopedia Websites <Daughter of Nienna> [7/7 @ 23:30] (0/0)
Essay Pages Links <Daughter of Nienna> [7/7 @ 22:57] (0/0)
The Hobbit <Daughter of Nienna> [7/7 @ 20:31] (0/0)
Tolkien The Man <Daughter of Nienna> [7/7 @ 19:52] (0/0)
Tolkien Elvish Language Links <Daughter of Nienna> [7/7 @ 19:32] (0/0)
I learn by answering questions. <Curious> [7/2 @ 0:50] (0/0)

I learned once again not to underestimate JRRT. <nerdanel_50> [7/1 @ 21:18] (0/0)
I re-learned that I really like "The Hobbit" <Kimi> [7/1 @ 20:35] (0/0)
Space <Penthe> [7/1 @ 19:12] (0/0)
I was surprised at how much there is to discuss in The Hobbit <drogo_drogo> [7/1 @ 18:34] (2/3)

I wouldn't say I "burned out." <Curious> [7/1 @ 19:07] (1/1)

Frodo <CelebornsMirror> [7/2 @ 11:46] (0/0)

Oh, and I learned a lot about geology, and how to make cram too :-) (No Text) <drogo_drogo> [7/1 @ 18:37] (0/0)

I learnt...... <elvendala> [7/1 @ 15:37] (0/0)
I always thought I liked the last half best. But <Curious> [7/1 @ 14:43] (0/0)

Ubergeeky Shire observation <Ascarwen> [7/1 @ 11:48] (1/7)

I vote against the feud theory. <Curious> [7/1 @ 20:34] (1/6)

I am not suggesting anything as <Ascarwen> [7/2 @ 19:25] (5/5)

Image Gallery Links <Daughter of Nienna> [7/7 @ 19:18] (0/0)
Maps, Places, Timelines, Events, Races, Genealogies, Family Trees <Daughter of Nienna> [7/7 @ 18:47] (0/0)
Elves, Dwarves and Other Groups <Daughter of Nienna> [7/7 @ 18:43] (0/0)
Mythology Resources Links <Daughter of Nienna> [7/7 @ 18:35] (0/0)
Smaug Gallery <Daughter of Nienna> [7/7 @ 18:15] (0/0)

We know of Durin,but did Tolkien ever name the other Fathers? <mike626> [7/1 @ 2:24] (4/9)

More Dwarvish Info <Alveric> [7/5 @ 6:00] (0/0)
Well, others have... <Beren IV> [7/2 @ 2:34] (0/0)
Not to my knowledge. <N.E. Brigand> [7/1 @ 16:17] (0/0)
I've just had a little look, and found out this:.... <elvendala> [7/1 @ 7:02] (1/5)

are all "Durins" a reincarnation... <hartk> [7/1 @ 14:37] (2/4)

Durin VII is yet to come. <N.E. Brigand> [7/1 @ 16:13] (2/2)

Fascinating!! <Macca> [7/2 @ 11:50] (0/0)
Interesting...thanks! (No Text) <hartk> [7/1 @ 16:24] (0/0)

The way I understand it. <mike626> [7/1 @ 14:43] (0/0)